记者:对深化国资管理体制和国企改革,你作为一位民营企业家,觉得尤其需要解决哪些问题? 梁:我觉得有几个问题特别需要关注。第一个问题是人的问题,国企很难长期做好的根本原因是留不住人。企业一旦成功,就有大量外资、民资企业慕名求贤,国有企业对此的应对很慢,措施又不到位。优秀人才一旦离开企业,企业的持续发展问题就无从谈起。这个问题实际上引申出另外一个本质问题,就是国企在治理机制上存在着缺陷,这种缺陷表现在另一方面,就是国企缺乏扩张动力,现在我们的很多国企只满足于在现有系统内进行垄断经营以获取超额利润,对于跨地区、跨行业经营,去冲击别人的地盘不感兴趣,由于长期缺乏扩张的愿望,因而也就 Reporter: As a private entrepreneur, deepen the reform of the state-owned assets management system and state-owned enterprises. Which issues do you think should be especially addressed? Liang: I think there are several issues that require special attention. The first issue is the human problem. The fundamental reason why it is very difficult for state-owned enterprises to make good long-term achievements is that they can not keep people. Once a business is successful, there will be a large number of foreign-funded enterprises that seek support from private-owned enterprises. State-owned enterprises are slow to respond to this and measures are not in place. Once the outstanding talents leave the enterprise, the sustainable development of the enterprise can not be started. In fact, this issue leads to another essential issue, that is, there are flaws in the governance mechanism of state-owned enterprises. On the other hand, these deficiencies are the lack of impetus for the expansion of state-owned enterprises. Many of our state-owned enterprises are now content only with existing systems Monopolizing operations to gain excess profits is not conducive to cross-regional and cross-industry operations and to the impact of others' sites. Due to the long-term lack of desire for expansion,